Environmentally conscious at War?

topic posted Wed, April 30, 2008 - 4:49 PM by  Barb/Mishke
So, what do you do to be more eco-friendly at War?

I used to go to a healthfood store and by all biodegradable bath products and detergents, but after I moved, I didn't live anywhere near such a store. So, my eco-habits the past few years have slipped a little. But here's some good news - you can now buy biodegradable body wash at just about any store. The brand Pure and Natural just came out with a new line of body wash and bar soaps that smell very nice. I just bought some today. Also, I'm pretty sure that Paul Mitchell hair products have been biodegradable for years.

You guys have any other ideas? What do you do?
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Barb/Mishke
West Virginia
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    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 2:31 AM
    I don't use soap at Pennsic. I drink all my beer from a keg because they reuse them. And I conserve water by not using the shower. And I water the plants often, better than going into the stinky blue boxes.
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      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 5:48 AM
      As a camp, we've decided that we are not using any paper plates or disposable cups this year. (we are usually pretty bad about that, I hate to admit.) And one of our mates offered to collect up the plastic items or cans that we can recycle and take it back home with her. : )
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        Tue, May 27, 2008 - 11:20 AM
        there is a recycling center off of 422 en route to the Giant Eagle from Coopers :) Our camp kept a recycling bin and would send it with people who were doing food runs to empty its contents on the way to their run.
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    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 7:23 AM
    I carry a portable ashtray with me, as to not throw my cigarette butts on the ground.
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      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 7:41 AM
      We have been using cloth permeated with wax instead of using plastic-wrap to pack our lunches to go with us.
      We can then wipe and re-use.
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        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 8:13 AM
        Grocery--type plastic bags are a real environmental threat. How about taking them home & re-using or recycling instead of tossing them? It doesn't take much room to smash them up & place all into one hold-all bag. This is if you use them in the first place, instead of a re-usable cloth sack.

        Also, batteries can be recycled in some communities. I know there's a LOT of stuff to take back home, but whatever we can recycle at home, and not toss at Pennsic, might be taken home............just a thot. These are just two things that popped into my mind -- I'm sure there's much more.
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        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 8:23 AM
        Caitrina~How does one find or create such cloth?
        I've always wanted to use something to this effect for packing take-along foods.
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          Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:31 PM
          I am a member of the Chameleon Club and used to attend Starwood every Summer. One year I was put in charge of recycling. At the time New York state required everything to be sorted into various dumpsters. We even separated aluminum cans from steel. So a couple times per day I'd drive around the site with a crew and pick up both the trash and the recycle-ables. Starwood had 1,000 people, which is less than 1/10th the number who attend Pennsic, and they are mostly hippies, former hippies, or hippy wannabes. They produced huge amounts of garbage and recycle-ables.
          At Pennsic I don't really do anything to help the environment since much of my trash simply stays behind in Cleveland. I do however plan so as to reduce the trash load at the event. I pack foods like carrots, eggs, & etc in reusable containers and use paper plates and bowls since they can be readily burned in our camp bonfire. Where we camp our sink run off goes directly into the lake, so burning the used plates puts less soap into the lake, uses less water, and reduces the amount of garbage to be hauled away. When I go to the coffee houses up top I generally carry a ceramic mug which is good for both hot and cold beverages.
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            Thu, May 1, 2008 - 2:25 PM
            Thanks for sharing, everyone!
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              Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:29 AM
              For those who want to use paper plates, I have found a brand that is made of (believe it or not) potatoes, corn and limestone. It's called Earthshell and the only place I have found it so far is Meijers. The only drawback to it is that on one of the packages I bought, the lining in the bowl was coming loose at the edges....not the inside tho!

              I think it is a great choice between styrofoam and paper plates made from trees. Easier to renew the materials it is made from, more landfill friendly than styrofoam and works great. (Also no washing dishes when yer done!)

              Nope, I don't work for them, just like the products.

              Cinead
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                Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:12 AM
                Awesome! After the recent Meijer fiasco with the HSUS issue, I can restore my faith in them again.
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                  Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:02 AM
                  What did Ol' Freddie do?
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                    Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:57 PM
                    There's a PETA-type activist group out there called the Humane Society of the United States. They are NOT like our Michigan Humane Society (in fact, MHS doesn't like HSUS). HSUS uses the closeness of their name to get people to contribute to their causes but that just frees up their budget to posture on Capitol Hill. This is the same group who came into the state to put the Morning Dove issue on our ballot.

                    Anyway, Meijer was going to run a cute pet contest with the proceeds going to HSUS on the ASSUMPTION that it was going to be used to save puppies and kitties. It was not because that's not what they do. They were going to use it toward anti-hunting issues in the state, again. Yep, in a state that is HUGE into hunting. It was politely and clearly brought to Meijers attention and the VP who said they were going to do the contest no matter what last Friday announced Monday that they were ending the contest. Smart move.
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                      Fri, May 2, 2008 - 2:27 PM
                      I see. What a hullaballoo. Too bad somebody didn't do their homework. At least there was something in the media besides Kwame and Obama's old preacher.
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                        Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:37 AM
                        I know this is just a little thing, but this year I took the plunge and bought (and made) the grocery-store cloth bags and started trying to make myself use them instead of plastic or paper. It only took three "Oops, just a minute, I left my bags in the car again" memory lapses before I started remembering to bring them inside with me. :-) I always re-used the plastic bags for garbage bags before, but once I ran out, I realized how many large plastic bags I had anyway (toilet paper. cat litter. Rice. Seems like almost everything is bagged up in plastic anyway) so I use those. Which means the recycling center *has* to take them because they're full of cans and bottles, so I don't have to put them in the "regular" trash, so I save money - always a bonus.

                        Anyway. I've tried in the past at Pennsic to carry a cloth bag for shopping (or my harp case) but succumbed to the convenience of using the plastic bags on the grocery runs and then for garbage. This year I'm bringing my cloth bags for Cooper's and Walmart as well as for in-Pennsic shopping and keeping my recyclables. My goal is to have NO trash at all (recyclables not recycled in PA will be brought home), but I didn't make that goal last year (I'd excuse myself because I got so sick, but that wasn't why - I just stopped paying attention), so, we'll see.

                        Anyway 2. I'm not much of a seamstress (as one look at my garb will attest) but I *do* know how to make a bag with handles! The non-period ones are from old cutoff jeans and shorts (sew up the legs, attach strap to belt loops) but the period ones are from any leftover thick, sturdy material that will wash well.

                        Is there any way to convince the food court merchants to use the compostable plates and utensils? (probably not, probably too expensive. But it'd be nice). Or, maybe if they offered a slight discount for bring-your-own-plate/cup/forks? A lot of us are *used* to feast gear requirements. . .
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                Wed, May 28, 2008 - 6:52 AM
                OK, I tried these plates for my daughters birthday party a couple weeks ago and they are great. We had pizza and they are thick enough that there aren't any greasy leaks. I'm bringing a stash for Pennsic.
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      Wed, June 11, 2008 - 7:59 PM
      "I carry a portable ashtray with me, as to not throw my cigarette butts on the ground."

      You rock! when I smoked (years ago) I always took my butts with me. They're just UGLY! I cringe and curse when I see people toss them out of car windows, and I hate to see them littering the ground!
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    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:47 AM
    You can also find biodegradeable soap at camping stores.
    But I would like to think I do eco-friendly things all year, so it is second nature to practice them at War, too.
    I'm thinking about how to set up recycling at all events, big and small...donate the money to a charity like Toys for Tots.
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      Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:26 AM
      "I'm thinking about how to set up recycling at all events, big and small...donate the money to a charity like Toys for Tots. "

      Wait a minute? you get paid for recycling? Where I live it's mandatory to recycle at the whims of the folks at the transfer station and I ahv to pay for the privelege of being verbally abused and to get rid of what little Waste I & my family produces.

      Can you tell I'm a bit bitter? Unfortunately it's so bad that I drive 12 miles out of my way to another transfer station to avoid the one half a mile away most of the time. I still have to pay to dispose of things there too.
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    Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:00 PM
    Speaking of, this sparked a memory.

    A couple years ago there was a place by one of the gates where you could dropped off unopened canned and boxed food items that would be donated to a local food bank.

    Any idea if there is something similar planed for this war?

    Also, any idea if there is a recycling drop-off on site for all those bottles and cans we go through on a nightly basis?
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    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:41 AM
    Coopers Lake, IMHO, does not do enough for recycling at Pennsic War. 12,000 people can produce a lot of trash when you consider that the average person produces 4.5 lbs of trash per day. Must be twice that at Pennsic--beer and liquor bottles are heavier.

    At Pennsic I use a biodegradable, all-in-one soap from Burt's Bees. It's not fantastic, but it gets the job done and I feel better knowing that I am not putting chemicals into the ground, which happens to be my city's backyard.
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      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:31 AM
      Has anyone used Bronner's Castile soap as an "all in one" soap? I'd like to use an inexpensive soap that I can wash everything from my hair to my dishes with.
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        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:55 AM
        That is my soap of choice at war to do dish washing, body washing, a couple drops on a cool rag head bathing on those hot afternoons.

        It holds up well at war. Gets a little cloudy when left out in the sun, but that will clear up with a good bottle shake.
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          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 12:13 PM
          I was tempted to get some last year, but I have a vague memory of not liking how it worked as a shampoo.
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            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:24 PM
            Try any of the LUSH shampoos or conditioners. Now, the bar shampoo I got from them last year did not do well in the heat, but the organic conditioner that I kept in my cooler was great.
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              Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:14 PM
              Thanks for the suggestion. I've heard a lot of good things about LUSH products. I've been using an inexpensive shampoo bar that I picked up at Whole Foods at home. I like being able to use the same product on my entire body. Have you ever used an apple cider vinegar rinse instead of conditioner? Since I've started using it, I haven't had to use conditioner once. It makes a great toner as well. It's definitely coming to Pennsic with me!
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                Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:16 AM
                I have found some wonderful apple cider rinses and beer conditioners on etsy.com and they work fantastically! I haven't tried them at Pennsic though since my hair gets extra nasty after fighting.

                This year I'm totally bringing along a bottle to try.
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                  Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:57 AM
                  Down here (Texas) we have an organic brand called 365. I haven't used the shampoo but the conditioner is not adequate for the hard water we have. (suave worked better) I think I will try the cider rinse.
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                  Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:59 AM
                  I take a splash of ACV in a cup of water and pour it over my hair (avoiding my scalp) after I'm done washing. Sometimes I rinse it out and sometimes I dont. It's the best thing I've ever found to detangle my hair. Regular conditioner tends to make my long, thin hair heavy. I'm just not sure what will happen when I try it with Cooper's water.
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            Wed, June 11, 2008 - 8:05 PM
            "I was tempted to get some last year, but I have a vague memory of not liking how it worked as a shampoo."

            I don't care for the Dr. Bronner's as a shampoo, because it leaves a residue on my hair which makes it appear dirty very soon and feel "oily". I have very fine hair, and it just feels icky. But we do use it for washing ourselves, our dishes and our clothes!
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    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:35 PM
    I usually bring some grass[1]-seed to patch the bare-spot after I've removed my tent.

    I got the idea from someone else.

    1 - That's LAWN GRASS, not the other kind. 8-)
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      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:08 PM
      So get this... I was at my completely hum-drum local grocery store, and just in a cursory inspection of the cleaning products aisle, I saw at least three biodegradable laundry detergents and one dish detergent.

      Also, I've made my own hair masks out of such things as eggs, mayo, or avocados...thay do nice in a pinch, and you could add essential oils to enhanc