A smaller Pennsic?

topic posted Wed, July 9, 2008 - 1:50 PM by  Fum
As per the block assignments, our camp got all out land with no problem. It also appears that some of our neighbors from last year are not going to be there. Could this be a sign that the economy and the cost of gas have begun to have an effect on travel so that fewer people can afford to take the trip to Pennsic? I've heard some people say so. After all the years of growth and crowding, are we now in a decline where we'll have a lower population density in many parts of the camp? If so, it could certainly make land grab less stressful. What does this say for future years? Are people also doing less SCA travel locally? Perhaps this is just a sign of the times. Whadda YOU think??
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  • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

    Wed, July 9, 2008 - 2:03 PM
    I think you should count yourself lucky - some blocks got way more people than expected ;-)
    • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

      Wed, July 9, 2008 - 2:08 PM
      I think we should all remember to raise a glass to our friends who can't afford to be there this year!
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        Wed, July 9, 2008 - 2:12 PM
        Most definitely Azhrde! My camp has a few that wont be there this time around, but we have a few new ones so we are the same number as last year. Those that cant make it will definitely be missed!
        • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

          Wed, July 9, 2008 - 3:12 PM
          I have been seeing a lot of talk on the aether about how the economy in general and gas prices in particular are going to hurt attendance this year, but I am expecting that it wont be too bad. Most folks blow things up much bigger on line than they need to,

          The economy has been kind of lackluster for a lot of people for a while, but it has only been "bad" for a short time. I expect that a lot of people who got hit still have some resources to go to war with. Let's face it. Many of us are kind of religious about war, and don't necessarily make what economists would call "Rational choices" about Pennsic. Hell, some of us quit jobs or leave spouses to go to war.

          So, no big effect this year.

          But, if the economy gets worse, then it could affect later wars.

          BTW, Fum. Robyn said to tell you "Hi" if I ran across you again.

          f
          • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

            Wed, July 9, 2008 - 3:53 PM
            Well, Freiman, tell Robyn dass es war im gantzen ein gross vergnugen ihr kennen zu lehrnen und ich werde ihr immer froh erinnerin. Sie ist eine sehr schoene maedchen und ich hoffe dass ich ihr noch ein mal sehen werden. Es ist nur schade dass mein Deutsch so schlecht ist wann ihr English so gut ist, aber wenn sie noch ein mal nach Pennsic die reise macht ich werde ihr auf Deutsch sprechen so gut als ich kann.

            That's about as good as I can say it auf Deutsch.
            • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

              Wed, July 9, 2008 - 8:20 PM
              Wed, July 9, 2008 - 3:53 PM
              Re: A smaller Pennsic?
              Well, Freiman, tell Robyn dass es war im gantzen ein gross vergnugen ihr kennen zu lehrnen und ich werde ihr immer froh erinnerin. Sie ist eine sehr schoene maedchen und ich hoffe dass ich ihr noch ein mal sehen werden. Es ist nur schade dass mein Deutsch so schlecht ist wann ihr English so gut ist, aber wenn sie noch ein mal nach Pennsic die reise macht ich werde ihr auf Deutsch sprechen so gut als ich kann.

              That's about as good as I can say it auf Deutsch.

              Herr Baron, dein Deutsch ist zweimal besser als mein Deutsch!

              Achbar
      • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

        Thu, July 10, 2008 - 1:29 AM
        Strictly speaking, that should include me - our flights were over £700 this year (don't try to do the exchange rate maths: suffice to say, it's nearly 2 weeks' take-home).

        But I suppose we're slaves to Pennsic. What a happy burden...
        • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

          Thu, July 10, 2008 - 5:52 AM
          Two weeks take home? WOW! I need a new job!
          • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

            Thu, July 10, 2008 - 6:34 AM
            Wait until you find out what the cost of housing is to go with that new job's pay.
            One of our clan mates was thinking about moving out to CA to work for Google, and he sat down and computed how much more money he needed to make to keep the same level housing etc. It turned out he would need to make 125% more money just to stay the same.
            London is even worse. Midwest is cheap to live in.
  • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

    Thu, July 10, 2008 - 10:15 AM
    Some one has told me that actually pre-reg was up this year from last year. Our block it crazy tight and a camp from last year got bumped. Granted, I think two camps are not going to make it this year, but in a bizarre way it was good because we are almost out of space on the block.

    My personal take is that a few people may not be able to make it due to financial situations. But I think it is no more than would happen in any other year.

    But we may actually see an increase this year because as I tell some people, in comparison to 2 weeks on any other vacation comparitive to Pennsic, Pennsic can work out to be much cheaper.

    If you were to exclude the travel expenses (because unless you vacation at home, you are going to have travel expenses) and just look at the actual "vacation costs" (i.e. a place to stay for two weeks, food, drink and entertainment). I feel Pennsic would win hands down.
    • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

      Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:22 AM
      Our block has nearly 130 people _less_ then last year. It's made land grab easier, that's for certain!
      • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

        Thu, July 10, 2008 - 12:16 PM
        Our block went from a little over 300 square feet allotted to single last year to well over 7000 feet of single camping! YIKES! Gonan be more strange neighbors again this year. We ahd one lady that we ALL talked about in the area that was a "challenge" to deal with. I believe Padraigh chased her off at least once?
    • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

      Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:31 AM
      not only is it more cost effective on the whole as a vacation....but as a two week event with a dedicated following you ahve a much larger percentage of regular attendees who are going to prioritize it above lesser "day trips", road trips, holiday excursions etc that are going to have sattelite costs hovering around them in the form of restaurant food, hotel lodging, entrance fees at amusements parks or special locations like museums and such..........once you have plunked down your money to get in gate, and have your food set up taken care of....you could concievably not spend any more money till you have to go home which is a rarity in a vacation....so I agree I think you are going to see Pennsic attendance stay pretty much the same.....where I think the SCA is going to see a drop in attendance ( and I know we have seen it alot here in Antir) is the kingdom level events that necessitate long drives for a signifigant percentage of the potential attendees.......when you have to factor high gas costs into your trek to a crown event you may be more inclined to reduce the number of kingdom events you go to throughout tourney season.
      • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

        Thu, July 10, 2008 - 12:11 PM
        If less people come , we'll just have to sing , laugh , drink with more gusto , fight harder on the field, and raise a toast to those of our pals who could not be there this year.
        • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

          Fri, July 11, 2008 - 4:25 AM
          Sounds like a plan!
          Somebody, Raise a glass for me this year.
          • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

            Fri, July 11, 2008 - 5:07 AM
            Raise a glass for me this year too. With the rising price of everything, it makes it hard to be able to do much of anything. We are trying to attend more local events and not travel as much. I still have 2 semesters of school to go for now and my oldest is now starting college himself, it leaves a lot less money for the fun things. Also my wife and I are going to try to go with my youngest's school trip to Rome in another year and a half. We can't pass up the opportunity.

            Missing pennsic is not something that we chose without much thought.

            Have fun and post pictures for those of us who will be at "I'm so upset that I missed Pennsic" parties.
            • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

              Fri, July 11, 2008 - 8:36 AM
              we will raise a glass to you ondraedan and galfridius, and also to our many friends that could not quite make it to this pennsic...

              may good health and prosperity find you, and may happiness be with you on your travels, and remember us your family on your quests...

              VI VAT !!! :D
  • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

    Fri, July 11, 2008 - 6:25 PM
    Same thing is happening on out block. We have a whole camp that isn't even showing up this year and everyone elses numbers are down from last year.
    • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

      Sat, July 12, 2008 - 8:05 AM
      See, that's why I brought the question up. Some people are saying that there will be as many people as last year and then others are saying that their blocks lost population and whole camps are gone. Several people here have said that they themselve can't make it because of rising costs, especially the travel to and from, but others are saying that a lot of people are slaves to Pennsic and will go at whatever cost, which I'm sure is true enough. But personally I'm sensing some big changes in the air so I'm just curious about how it will all shake out. The ride since the first war has taken us to bigger numbers every year causing the Coopers to expand and I've seen it all, always wondering when it may top out. I distinctly remember the cornfield being cut the first time to open the first section of the getti (and the free corn that was dumped across the road from my camp where the hoarde slums now sit was really yummy, too). Anyway, I'm watching with great interest. As much of a Pennsic slave as I've been for 37 years, this year and last year I came maily because the kids want to. My fighting days are pretty much over with the bad knee and the coronary artery disease and I've seen the parties and done the excesses, but now I'm mellowing out and looking for quieter more mellow vacations with air conditioning and different scenery so when the youngest becomes an adult and responsible for his own Pennsic, I don't know if I'll keep coming. As I said, I sense big changes in the air all around, and not necessarily just at Pennsic.
      • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

        Sat, July 12, 2008 - 11:00 AM

        The price of gas will keep people away, maybe. More likely it'll keep the short term people away, those that only come for a few days. or you'll more carpooling. With luck we won't see as much driving around the war as well, limited town runs and what not.

        The weak US dollar, i imagine we'll see alot more of our cousins from across the pond. Given how much more value the Euro is to the dollar, its almost a bargain to come to war. Same with Aussies.
        • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

          Mon, July 14, 2008 - 8:05 AM
          Oh good point, and more adorable blondes with a killer accent at Pennsic is certainly a good thing.
          • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

            Mon, July 14, 2008 - 8:44 AM
            ooohhh... more scenery....MMMmmmMMmmm :)
            • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

              Mon, July 14, 2008 - 10:07 AM
              The gas is more but not that much to stop most people. It is just all the other things on top of it. The cost of heating oil, rent, food, etc have all gone up and that leaves less room for vacations.

              I think the merchants will be hit most with people less willing to just "put it on the card".
              • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

                Mon, July 14, 2008 - 11:52 AM
                But if you put it into perspective , I've done 2 weeks at Pennsic with about the same budget that a weekend at any Hotel or B&B. Of course my problem is that I am an "Armor Whore" so I will likely buy something shiny and new even though I hardly need it. Our camp does a meal plan, where we get two square meals a day from our communal kitchen. It makes a big difference on spending , because those food court trips really do add up after a while.
        • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

          Mon, July 14, 2008 - 11:36 PM
          Hear, hear! Four of us are coming out from Japan this year, and though the plane ticket is a fright for non-military, the general vacation costs are going to be quite good.
  • Re: A smaller Pennsic?

    Tue, July 29, 2008 - 5:29 AM
    Fum,
    To drag up an old topic....

    Based on my personal observations our block went from 750 sqft of singles camping set aside last year to almost 25000 (yes twenty five thousand) sqft. At 7pm sunday night the parking lot was still relatively empty EXCEPT for trailer parking was filling up fast.