I popped open my pennsic-garb trunk last weekend. I usually do this at least a few months ahead of time to check out what needs repaired or thrown out. Oh boy...do I wish that I'd remembered how bad my poison ivy was last year. Yeah...now my arms are covered in the darn spots, and all my garb has to be quarantined and then washed in very very hot water. That'll teach me for not washing 100% of what I took with me!!
Tip: If your camp suffers under the poison ivy affliction, then do wash everything that comes home with you--regardless of whether you wore it not!! (it may have touched something else that got brushed with the dreaded stuff)
Tip: If your camp suffers under the poison ivy affliction, then do wash everything that comes home with you--regardless of whether you wore it not!! (it may have touched something else that got brushed with the dreaded stuff)
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:48 PMOhhh I feel for you I really do...but that's really good advice. Hope you feel less itchy soon.
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 7:48 AMOh man that SUCKS!! Hope you're itch free soon!
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:03 AMneed help scratching? -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:24 AMscratch em all open and rub bleach on them. It will hurt like hell but it will dry up within 2 days. My grandma used to do it to me and my cousins when we were kids and wouldn't stay outta the woods.
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 1:10 PMI can reach these all by myself, thank you very much. ;)
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:31 AMI feel for ya. A friend and I were just talking about the poison ivy situation last year. Going to make sure everything I brought home is well cleaned. I am pretty sure I got it from unloading firewood into camp since that is the only source we could nail down that I could have contracted it from (all others were dismissed out of lack of contact). It was awful and taking measures to not let that happen again this Pennsic. -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 2:16 PMMy other half and I do trail running fairly regularly down here in Georgia. One of the things we carry with us is rubbing alcohol. It's the first thing we pour on ourselves when we hit the end of the trail. Neither of us has gotten poison ivy yet! ; )
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 5:12 PMpennsic is where i discovered I was allergic to the stuff- so much for immunity. Hope you feel better soon. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:32 AMmaybe its all those years in the woods, but its never really bothered me that much. But there is a natural cure, jewelweed that usually grows near poison ivy. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:51 AMI don't think I've ever had poison ivy either, and I spent my childhood running around in a rural neighborhood, out in the meadow, out in the woods, etc. So you'd think I must have been exposed to it at some point, and I think most of my friends had it at one time or another. The most I ever got was a mildly itchy rash a couple of times after picking wild strawberries or just running around in the fields or woods, and it always went away within six hours. I'm hoping that means I'm immune to poison ivy, though I certainly don't intend to press my luck in order to find out for sure. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 1:58 PMI never really reacted to it until a couple of years ago. Now I can break out if I just go near it...as evidenced by the fact that my garb is now quarantined far away from me!
I read somewhere that your sensitivity to it can increase or decrease over time and repeated exposures. Here's hoping I don't get 'exposed' this pennsic.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:38 PMHere it is as a cute, widdle baby....
www.hort.uconn.edu/IPM/home...sivy2.jpg
And, here it is thinkin' it's all big an' bad (it is).
www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed...vy8-11b.jpg
And, here it is being an insidious bastard and trying to use it's friends as cover.
www.teclabsinc.com/images/PoisonIvy.jpg
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 9:39 AMWhen I was in the Reserves, we went for our two week annual training to Quantico VA and spent several days in the wood on an exercise. The woods there are old growth forests and one of my platoon mates spent a LOT of time swinging on what we thought was a wild grape vine.....woke up the next day COVERED in poison oak...had to ship him back to sick bay, the next time I saw him most of his upper body was covered in calamine lotion.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 7:56 PMAnyone who ever went camping as a kid in the Mid-West, say it with me.... "Leaves of three, let it be!" -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:11 AMJewelweed, is nature's poison ivy cure. It usually grows near poison ivy and is usually found the closest shady and moist place. I noticed it all over near the lake last year. Just split open the stalk of the plant and rub the "juice" over the affected area, it really works.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:53 AMJewelweed does grow down in the Court of Miracles, which was a poison ivy/oak prone area until I did combat with a bottle of Round Up with it pretty much every year. It was pretty much gone my last Pennsic, but havent' been back in a couple years, so I dont' know if there's any down there now or not.
Round up kills it. Just spray it and leave it alone. Don't spray it and chop it down, or it will be back next year. Spray it and leave it, and it will be gone next year. Gotta give the herbicide time to permeate the root system.
For the love of all that is holy, NEVER burn the stuff. NEVER. Even if it's dead. Especially if it's dead. You might kill someone.
As for decontaminating your gear, yes, it's true you have to rinse off EVERYTHING. You can get the stuff from a doorknob or a shovel handle, if the urushoil is still on it. You might not be allergic, but you can pass the oil to someone who is. You can NOT get it from the rash of another person, only the oil. So if that person has washed, they are no longer contageous. If you are exposed, rinse off as soon as you can with COLD water. This closes your pores and gets it off the surface of your skin. A dunk in the creek will effectively neutralize the stuff (just do it downstream of others.) Then, if you can, a hot shower, to clean up anything that might have gotten into your pores.
Clothes don't need hot water, any water will do. But they do need a good washing, maybe a couple good washings. Shoes, too.
To treat the rash, I find calamine to be fairly worthless. I scald the rash in water as hot as I can stand. It's awful. I will sit in the tub and cry, but I make myself do it. This depletes the histamine in your skin cells. Histamine causes the itch. The hot water will feel like Hell and Pestilence...and then all of a sudden, you get a rush of relief. Do the heat until you feel that rush. That's the last of the histamine. You wont' make enough to start itching again until 6 to 12 hours have past, depending on what body part (hands and face seem to make histamine faster than, say, legs or torso.) You can get through your day or get a nights sleep without too much suffering this way. Yes, the treatment is really rough. But I prefer to get my suffering out of the way all at once.
Take some antihistamine and a painkiller (itch is mild pain, so asprin really will help it.) and you will feel a whole lot better. Generally, I ignore the warning on the bottle of topical antihistamine to not take it with oral antihistamine, and use both simultaneously, but that's just me. If I get it bad, I go to the doc in the box for a shot of prednisone. I became a regular down there one summer. They were all like "Can you not stay out of the woods???". Prednisone is a wonderful thing. Instant relief.
You can also by some very good products if you know you will be out in the brush as a preventative: Tec-Nu:
www.teclabsinc.com/products.cfm
This stuff works pretty well, in tandem with a skin sealant I have used with good results, the name of which I will have to look for as I don't remember. I'll try to remember and post it. I keep these products in my fan. Bottle of Tec-nu and a bottle of water kept handy to rinse off with, and you can really spare yourself some suffering later.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:12 AMHere you go, I can't believe I couldn't remember the name of this stuff; it's called Ivy Block:
www.ivyblock.com/ivyblock.php
This does not make you immune. It only buys you a little time. It's a barrier to keep the oil from touching your skin, but even if you have it on and then get the urushoil on the treated skin, the urushoil is still on you. You can still touch it and spread it around, so you still have to decontaminate yourself at the very first available opportunity.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:18 AMAll sorts of great facts and CURES
poisonivy.aesir.com/view
And as far as I know Poison Oak only grows in the Pacific Northwest.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:47 AMSouth Carolina here, and I can tell you that is most assuredly NOT true. It's alive and well, and doing it's level best to take over the Southeast. We have oak, ivy, and much to my horrifed dismay, sumac.
The sumac damn near hospitalized me. Got that in Georgia. It's at Pennsic. It's in Florida, and every place in between. I imagine it's further North than Pennsic, even, I've just not actually eyewitnessed it further north that I remember.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:29 AMI thought that we had all three in Western NY? I could be mistaken though? -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:44 AMnope all 3 are indigenius to whole usa -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:36 AMWow, I stand corrected. I've never seen it here in VA and once was told by someone who works for the Forest Service that it only grew west of the Rockies. When I looked on the web it backed up his statement. -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 12:28 PMMight be that a specific type grows regionally. There are different types of the stuff. -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:48 AMYou're right Dulcy. I did some more checking and there is an eastern poison oak. So many sites just talk about it growing in the west. I never knew, but after looking at the pics I'm sure now that I have seen it. Can't wait to tell my friend from the Forest Service!! LOL -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:30 AMHere's a little glimpse of it in early fall, growing in NC. I was really trying to capture the fungus, but you can see it kind of in the back. It's yellow.
people.tribe.net/adfadfadf...1489e1b7a2
There's no way to know everything, there's a lot of stuff out there in the woods! :-)
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 3:52 PMI grew up in Western NY State, and we had poison ivy, poison oak and sumac as well. A real trifecta of "eeewwww". -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 3:53 PMAh, Val, I didn't see your post before I made mine. For those who don't know, I grew up in the county next door to his. -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 4:23 AMI think I previously apologized for that too? LOL!
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:48 AMpoisons oak,sumac,and ivy are like all allergins,going to affect individuals differently. as a child I could pretty much roll around in poison ivy and experience no ill effects. now however......not so much. Each of us blessed/cursed with allergies (depending on your take...mine cuts more on the cursed side this spring) goes through evolutions of said allergies (so my allergist explained to me a few years back when Ideveloped new and irritating allergies and shed a few "oldies-but-goodies") as we get older. I have been fortunate in that the number of things on the "don't go near it" list has markedly decreased asIget older,while to their chagrin my brother and sister who were nearly allergy free as kids have steadily added more and more substances to their list of things that will make some or all of their bodyrise up in revolt against exposure of even the slightest amount. I have somehowmanaged to maintain my immunity to Sumac and Oak.....knock on nearest wood substitute for that small fortune. the above advice on how to counteract ivy is also my regimen for fending off allergy attacks of any sort....scald it out with as hot a shower as I can stand, cleanse awayany allergin ASAP, and take painkillersand anti inflamitories to "stay in front of" the side effects, it's harder to control them once they have a foot hold than it is to supress their ability to take effect. Take base level allergy meds if you think you are going to be in an area that youmight come in contact with them, it will lessen their ability to affect you immediatly, and in concert with a skin sealant, you will likly be able to stave of the worst. -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:24 AMJoel, you are so right. Just because a person isn't allergic now, doesn't mean they won't be next time. Allergies don't always kick in right away. They also sometimes increase in severity with age, as in my case. I can't even eat cashews now. They are in the same plant family as the ivy, oaks, and summacs.
I often do take an antihistamine if I am exposed, or know I will be exposed. Just as a precaution. And I usually go straight in to get a shot if it looks like any rash I get is spreading. I dont' wait. My response is usually going to be far and away more serious than the exposure might have seemed, and I dont' want to wait till I'm incapacitated.
Last time I got into the sumac, I actually started having trouble breathing. It can go beyond a rash, if you're sensitive enough. Fortunately, the prednisone shot I ended up with that night halted that unpleasant little side effect.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:00 PMI actually drove down to Pgh to go to the ER for a prednisone shot when I thought i just couldn't take the itching anymore. Let's just say that I caught it by taking a pee in the treeline. My tenderest bits were spared, but my thighs were scary looking! And my poor boyfriend must have picked up some of the oil off of me, 'cause his thighs weren't spared the torment either!
A hot bath a pennsic would have been nice...I beleive I spent an afternoon sitting in (yes, inside) a cooler filled with ice and water--that seemed to help. Chirugeon's point could only give sympathies and recommend calamine. My campmates decided to experiment on me and I got bleach poured on me. A few people recommended peeing on it...what is this? jellyfish? inland? I'm thinking they just wanted to be able to say that they peed on me.
We drive up and do a preventive spray twice in the spring and early summer to keep the worst of it down. It's helped in the past, so i highly recommend calling up the Cooper's and asking about coming over and spraying your campsite. It helps them out too!
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:04 PMopps...I should note that the Pgh ER docs don't think poison ivy is an emergency and the wait time was around 9 hours (okay, so it's not a trauma injury and i suppose that's fair), so I just drove back to pennsic and sucked it up.
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